Has anybody tried Behr's new Bellagio Faux?
I was in Home Depot the other day and saw some samples of Berh's new Bellagio Faux. It looked pretty good. This is not my area of expertise, but I have never seen any of the pros here say they used any product made by behr. They do say to go to a paint store instead of the paint department in a bigger store. I Tried The Bellagio Faux Finish Approx 2 Weeks Ago And I Was Unable To Make It Blend Like The Samples . I Called The Local Store And Was Told Since It Was So New, They Had No One That Had Tried It To Help Me Out. I Watched The Dvd That Was Given To Me At My Purchase 5 Times, Thinking I Was Doing Something Wrong. So I Called The Behr 800 # I Explained That I Waited The Recommmended 15 Minutes Before Blending, I Upped The Time To 18 Minutes And Even Dropped Down To 10 Minutes And It Just Would Not Blend. Behr Paint Requested That I Send A Cover Letter And My Receipt For A Refund. The Basic Problem Is The paint Pellets In The Glazing Product Are Suppose To Burst And Blend In With The Glaze To Create A Soft Blended Apprreance And The End Result Was Splotcy And Looked Awful. I Went To Another Home Depot Store In Chattanooga Tn And The Sales Rep Told Me That She Had Been Unable To Get It To Blend And Look Like The Display Samples. She Said The Home Depot Store Was Wanting Her To Do A Demo/class In The Bellagio And She Said She Wouldn't Until She Mastered It. You May Have Great Luck With It, But I Would Not Buy This Product Again. But I Did Purchase Behr Paint To Do A regular Paint Finish In My Dining Room. I Love Behr Paint And Have Always Had Great Results From Their Products But I Just Wasn't Able To Get The Bellagio Faux Product To Work For Me. Hope This Helps. I too am looking at the Bellagio Faux and if it wasn't raining today I would be giving it a try. The clerk at my local HomeDepot (Central CA) has given many classes on the technique and said he has timed it out to approximately 7-9 minutes. I saw his large board sample and it looked exactly like the sample book. I was looking at the Venetian Plaster at first and he said the Bellagio is much easier and less time. Update: Wow, by the looks of one of your other posting you already used the Bellagio Faux and it looks great!! How much time did you wait 'to burst the bubbles'? http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=243984 I found the video to be a little misleading, in that you really don't have to wait until the finish is tacky. I simply waited about 15 minutes (keep in mind I was working in a cool basement), and then ever so lightly, using the face of the trowel, not the edge (the trowel will be almost parallel with the surface you are finishing), begin to smooth it out in different directions and the little beads of white will react as advertised - but go really light on the trowel. You actually do more smearing than actual troweling. One other key that I discoverd, is not to apply the top coats to thin. I applied it heavy enough that it was about ready to run and it blended really nicely. Although you do want some light areas so some of the base will show through. Then, if you want more of the white-stone look, after teh top coat begins to setup, using the edge of the trowel, lightly [read:LIGHTLY!] scrape the surface, and more of the white will appear. If you are not getting the results that you want, stop, and practice on a scrap piece of drywall. Trust me - if I can do it, you can do it. But I am really happy with what I ended up with. Good luck, Brad Originally Posted by mickid13 Update: Wow, by the looks of one of your other posting you already used the Bellagio Faux and it looks great!! How much time did you wait 'to burst the bubbles'? http://forum.doityourself.com/showthread.php?t=243984 I just bought my first gallon of the BF...I have not started yet...getting focused on it! So are you willing to come do mine for me? Any pointers, hints, etc. before I get started? Hi, I'm new to the forum. I used the Bellagio today for my bathroom. I'm happy to say it worked out great! I applied the topcoat pretty thick and it ended up being darker then the sample, but I liked it. Couple of thoughts - First, I would advise putting the topcoat on lightly and see if you like the lighter look (which also results in less contrast between the undercoat and the topcoat). One great thing about this product is that it blends great! So, if you decide you want it darker, you can reapply as it blends really well. Secondly - there seems to be a great difference in what look you can get depending on your personal personal preference. It you use the scraper while the topcoat is still quite wet, it smears and you get a blended look. If you wait until it's almost dry to use the scraper, you get almost no difference in the look in the thin parts from when you put it on with the brush, and the parts where the bubbles were scrapes down almost completely to the undercoat. I did it in-between. I waited until the thin part was almost dry and was able to create a blended plus scraped off area. Thirdly - I was working in a cool room with almost no humidity and found that the topcoat dried to my liking in about 5 minutes. So check it often because apparently slight variations make a huge difference. Good luck! Thanks Cherry Pie...I am going to start it tomorrow. What color did you use? I used the base of Antique White and covered with the Sienna Sky topcoat. Wow! I started today and have to say this technique is an easy one ! The hardest part so far was rolling on the flat base. Nav. White with a Roman Sun topcoat is what I used....It has given me a very classy look for my living room. I must say I think it will do best on untextured walls. I am in the process of choosing my colors -- I think I will do my bedroom next I just bought this paint but it seems so runny and the faux paint doesn't even seem t be able to put a dent over white paint. The color is a yellow old world look. The directions say to smooth out the paint on the last step with a trowel. That's funny with this paint because it goes on like water What do you think Originally Posted by Machelleschultz I just bought this paint but it seems so runny and the faux paint doesn't even seem t be able to put a dent over white paint. The color is a yellow old world look. The directions say to smooth out the paint on the last step with a trowel. That's funny with this paint because it goes on like water What do you think Is it properly shaken? I have not seen this problem. Originally Posted by bradneal I was in Home Depot the other day and saw some samples of Berh's new Bellagio Faux. It looked pretty good. i did my down stairs bath room and it really looks great Originally Posted by KATHY H I Tried The Bellagio Faux Finish Approx 2 Weeks Ago And I Was Unable To Make It Blend Like The Samples . I Called The Local Store And Was Told Since It Was So New, They Had No One That Had Tried It To Help Me Out. I Watched The Dvd That Was Given To Me At My Purchase 5 Times, Thinking I Was Doing Something Wrong. So I Called The Behr 800 # I Explained That I Waited The Recommmended 15 Minutes Before Blending, I Upped The Time To 18 Minutes And Even Dropped Down To 10 Minutes And It Just Would Not Blend. Behr Paint Requested That I Send A Cover Letter And My Receipt For A Refund. The Basic Problem Is The paint Pellets In The Glazing Product Are Suppose To Burst And Blend In With The Glaze To Create A Soft Blended Apprreance And The End Result Was Splotcy And Looked Awful. I Went To Another Home Depot Store In Chattanooga Tn And The Sales Rep Told Me That She Had Been Unable To Get It To Blend And Look Like The Display Samples. She Said The Home Depot Store Was Wanting Her To Do A Demo/class In The Bellagio And She Said She Wouldn't Until She Mastered It. You May Have Great Luck With It, But I Would Not Buy This Product Again. But I Did Purchase Behr Paint To Do A regular Paint Finish In My Dining Room. I Love Behr Paint And Have Always Had Great Results From Their Products But I Just Wasn't Able To Get The Bellagio Faux Product To Work For Me. Hope This Helps. i did the bellagio faux bf-17 and it came out perfect it took all day to finish the dry time is all off i sometimes waited 20 to 25 mins. then did the blend with the trowl it does work. don't give up it works Originally Posted by al19540705 i did the bellagio faux bf-17 and it came out perfect it took all day to finish the dry time is all off i sometimes waited 20 to 25 mins. then did the blend with the trowl it does work. don't give up it works just applied Behr's bellagio faux this morning and it looks AWESOME! I thought the process was fairly easy and the color is perfect. I also slightly increased the dry time before blending the faux top coat. Has anyone out there tried a color combination other than the samples bf-? in the booklet? At my HD, the salespeople at the paint counter typically have not tried many of the techniques that they sell. I would like to do a green for my kitchen but am a little afraid. There is only one sample of a green, but I would like something brighter with more color. Is it possible to have it tinted to the color that you want? If so, would the pellets lighten the original color once they burst? Any opinions on the layering of colors? Did you do a dark bottom coat followed by a lighter one or vice versa? I'm having a hard time envisioning the difference between the two. Also, would the texture cover imperfections in the walls at all? Our kitchen walls are terrible underneath the wallpaper, and I would like to save time by not having to sand out every little thing. I would of course prime first. Any thoughts are appreciated! Thank you! I've been practicing the Behr Bellagio technique for several days now (thank god for spare drywall sheets). I attempted the BF-25 and final results were glowing orangish-pink over a lt.greenish-gray background--not really what I was after. I tried omitting 2nd topcoat color which leaves the base still looking a little too blue, even after 2 coats of top color #1. On a third attempt, I switched the order of the 2 topcoat colors, applying the flourescent orange first, then the tuscany sand, but still came out very 'glowy' and unnatural-looking. results I also tried BF-09 because it looks so similiar to bf-25 without an additional paint color, but again the background is too blue. The final results on this product definitely vary greatly from the samples shown in the pamphlet. I must say with all this practice, I've definitely got the technique down--my sample boards look better than the ones on the dvd demo. Now its just a matter of getting the right color combo. I'm in humid Florida and the best combo for me has been to crank the a.c. down to 75degrees and let the paint set up for 15-16 min. before lightly smoothing with trowel. Has anyone done a custom mix of color in the rusty-goldy-umber range? Has anyone had success with BF-13? It looks good on the pamphlet, but I'd hate to purchase 2 more cans of this stuff, and still have glowing drywall. Any hints/suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am considering doing the bellagio in my kitchen. I am wondering tho if the builder grade flat paint will be an acceptable base coat? I too was wondering if it is possible to tint it to a color other than the ones that they have in the booklet thing. I just finished the venetian plaster in the living room and am pleased with how it turned out but I have a question about that as well. It was VERY time consuming with 14 foot ceilings and having a full time job but we are pleased with the outcome. My only curiousity is that it doesnt look shiny like the one that the HD guy did on the board. We sanded it and wiped off the dust, was there another step we are missing or something?? I've been very pleased with the end result so far with Behr's different painting techniques. I did a rag-rolling butter/goldish/eggshell in the kitchen a few years back, and with absolutely NEVER painting a room...to me, it came out looking quite professional. I've been in houses that have had professionals doing plaster/rag rolling/sponge and I must say that mine looks nicer. I am in the process of doing a Bellagio Faux finish of the BF-24 colour in the product brochure...a purplish/rose on a soft white background. So far it's turning out very well (my daughter's bedroom). Apparently some people have a natural knack to do this I believe...as when my eventually to be ex-husband started in on painting her room, the desired effect was rather streaky and not as we'd like it to have looked. I must say that using these techniques are very easy to rectify a mistake and make it less discernible to the eye than it once was. You just splotch on some more paint here and there...remove some paint here and there...and voila!...it's fixed. I am sure it is much more user friendly than one-colour painting where you can see every defect and imperfection. These are definitely the way to go...not only do you get a beautiful professional-looking end-result but you can stop in the middle (when layering on the other colours) and take it up again later with no problem. AND you get the satisfaction of doing it they way you want it to look (more red here...more blue there, etc.)...and having done it yourself. If you like the look you are supposted to get with the Bellagio, try Adicolor's Deseri', it is a superior product, much easier to use and you will get results like the samples. You can do a google search for a distributor in your area. I used the BF-26 for one wall in a den. I found it easy to apply and smear around the bumpy faux coat, but the base color was too dark a contrast to the top coat. The base of burnished mahogany is a dark reddish brown, top is shades of biege and splats of white. I think it would work better to have the 2 layers closer to the same level of color. Mine came out too blotchy and busy looking the first time, so covered it with another coat of the beige, more like a wash to calm it down. This meant painting the new drywall with a base coat, then the Behr base, then the Behr top, then again! Looks good now! It is easier than doing a regular wash technique which I did on the bedroom. I use it every single day and it works just fine. The Bellagio, works fine also. Not too happy with the results on my first attempt. It's leaving a rough and sandy finish in some areas. It doesn't look anything like the samples. More like sand and oatmeal in the paint than the granite like finish shown in the samples. Is there something wrong with the gallon of finish I have or is it my technique? Thanks for any help. Did you stir it up well? I have used Bellagio Faux in four different rooms, each with a different color, and each with a little different technique. Letting the faux set up 10-15 minutes worked well in smaller rooms and spaces, but for large rooms, I like troweling and blending almost immediately after application. I can keep the effect lighter, yet still retain the shade variations in more subtle ways. If needed, I go back with a small, additional amount of faux to give depth and to smooth out some variations. I have done ragging with tinted glaze for years, but love the Bellagio effect; and it's easier to work with. I would like to try the Bellagio in my condo's bathroom, but I am worried that there are too many small areas, such as over the doorways, and actually an even smaller gap between the linen closet doorway, and the doorway to the bathroom, where a consistent effect may not be able to be achieved. I am especially concerned about the gap between the two doorways. The trowel will never fit in there, so how do I 'burst' the paint pellets of the top coats, even just a little bit, in order to maintain the effect throughout the room? I tried it, after months of painting an unintentional rainbow on my wall and tacking wall paper samples everywhere, my husband finally had it and went to Home Depot. I was looking for a faux, but typically the old fashioned faux finishes took forever to coordinate colors and then get the look just right. He found the Bellagio faux, picked a color that matched the wallpaper I fell in love with but could not afford and came home. The technique is easy (a bit messy, but so worth it so remove ALL furniture and cover everything very well..and wear a hat) the end result is amazing! All of our friends and family cannot believe how fantastic our Morrocan themed bedroom came out. It is very easy and I'm telling you, no matter what hue you decide on, you will be pleased because you are in control of how much or how little saturation goes on. We also did my home office and plan for bathroom and dining room next. DO IT!! You will not be disappointed! I am getting ready to paint my daughter's bedroom. Her cherry wood furniture has metal adornments (silver metallic sheen), inlays, ...so I am looking to enhance this in the paint I choose. I was watching the demo provided on Home Depot for the paint... I am a little nervous. We had done some decorative paint previously... Hawaiian style borders, etc... free style. Nice, but she has gone to a more formal 16 year old room. I am going to paint over this with Kilz. Her curtains are crimson, and her bedding is cream... Carpet, off white . Any great ideas on color choices? We did the Bellagio Faux in our half bath, 3'x7' room. The first attempt was horrid, it made me cry. It looked like deer hunter orange with the lights off. The 2nd attempt was fabulous! We learned A LOT from the first attempt and now will be doing more and more rooms. We used the dark brown base and the faux over the top. It looks stunning. The key we learned was to use the faux sparringly - you can always go back and add more to spots if you need to... but to take extra off is horrid. We were very sparring and have a lot of the base chocolate brown showing thru, and our friends and family think the room is fabulous. I highly recommend trying this. BEST OF LUCK! I'm new the the Forum and -- I'm wondering if anyone has any more feedback or experience with Adicolor Faux finishes? I'm interested because I understand that it is an easier product to use and is more consistent in color and reflects the samples more accurately than Behr Bellagio -- I'd appreciate anyone's feedback on Adicolor!! Thanks! One of my very favorite glazes for a soft low sheen color blending finish is Adicolor Glacis, however it has become quite difficult to get their products as of late as the company is going through some changes. If you are thinking of purchasing higher end products, thereby giving you a higher end result, you are very smart. Big box products may work for some who either lack the concept of how finishes are suppose to look or have choosen the very best color combination or have some natural talent and had a good day. I can't tell you how many homes I have gone into and saw a finish that the homeower did that they thought was fantastic. Now don't get me wrong if they like it and are happy, I am happy for them. But in reality, it lacked all the basics a decent finish requires. Most big box classes are extremely basic and do not teach any of the variables. In my opinion, big box stores find an employee who really doesn't know what they are doing, but wants to try out a new product to please their boss and if the finish looks half good, the big guys figure the products will sell to innocent customers who want to try something different. It makes you feel good to believe you can do something creative. And I firmly agree, but give the amateur a better product and teach them hands on, let them try it over again to see where they may have difficulties when they get home, so they get a handle on what the product can and cannot do so they can actually create the same finish at home and be proud of it. And don't get me wrong, some folks may be able to create something half way decent out of a big box store, but they are far and few between. A simple and basic faux finishing class at a professional school will open you up to a wealth of knowledge and understanding of various products that will work for you. Practicing under the direction of a true professional, learning the tricks of the trade will make all the difference even if you just want to do your powder room! I personally do a faux demo class at a local Sherwin Williams store a few times a year. Out of all of the cheaper glazes S/W glaze is not half bad. I feel that it is far better then any other under $40.00 a gallon. However, if you really want the very best for all glazing finishes you'll want Bella Fresco. For $65.00 you can get a quart of glaze, with a 250 sq ft spread rate and the tools necessary to create a very beautiful glazed finish. Now if you really want to learn some fantastic finishes beyond glazing, and wish to spend under $100.00 you should check out the online faux classes at .........Yes, these classes were designed for professionals who want to expand their portfolios, but they are detailed enough that the amateur, if desires, can learn something quite awesome. I am not really promoting these classes or products. But I have been in the business for many years and admire fresh talent and anyone who wants to try to be creative. However, I that a 'newbie' given their inexperience, should have the edge that a big box won't, can't, don't give them. QDSLSE NO ADVERTISING I seen the links were removed from a thread because they were thought of as advertising. How can you help anybody if you cant tell them what kind of product to use? or the best product for that matter? I thought this site was put here to help people? I can help alot of people here with my knowledge that I am willing to share, which is very valuable, but apparently this forum doesnt care about its patrons. If your not allowed to name products than how can you help them? Originally Posted by diana7 I'm new the the Forum and -- I'm wondering if anyone has any more feedback or experience with Adicolor Faux finishes? I'm interested because I understand that it is an easier product to use and is more consistent in color and reflects the samples more accurately than Behr Bellagio -- I'd appreciate anyone's feedback on Adicolor!! Thanks! First of all you have to understand the difference between the two. If you are talking about Adicolors Glacias and Bellagio faux from Behr they are two completely different animals Bellagio faux is basically a paint glaze, While the Glacias is for colorants and not a paint glaze which is cleaner and has more open time. Most paint glazes that are sold directly from commercial stores are generally paint with out color and onec you add paint it will increase the dryng because fo the colorants within it. Some colorants dry fater than others such as your umbers. Now you know Tip; If you are using water base products for your finishes and you thin them out with water, your actually speeding up the dry time with the water because the it is actually a solvent so you should add some extender after the water... Arthur, We have a strict no advertising policy here which is clearly stated in our rules and posting policy which everyone agrees to when they join our forum. It is much appreciated when a professional offers advice but drawing attention to their website is not allowed in exchange for that advice. When a link or picture would help explain an idea either a manufacturer's website if it does not belong to the member or a general search term to help a member look further is what we expect. We have several very good moderators and regular contributors who also do online commerce but respect our policy and make no mention of it in the forums and do not list it in their profile. You need to understand that it is not common to see a post that has been edited for advertising as the normal practice is to remove all that member's posts and remove them as members. We do occasionally offer second chances. *DEFINATELY do test boards before you put it on your wall just so you can get used to the products dry time for your climate and also so you can achieve the look you want. *Apply generously but not to the point where it's running down the wall. *If you trowel when it's still wet it looks like it's smeared. If it's too dry, the paint blisters break open and look blotchy. *I found that if you have an area wher the paint is thicker than other areas you can trowel it GENTLY to knock it down a bit and then when it dries more you can re-trowel. *When troweling, instead of always wiping the trowel on a damp rag, I found it useful to use the small amount thats on the trowel to fill in spots that look like they could use a little retouching. *Blending is easy, don't overlap the product but get it close to your other edges and blend the wet into the dry with your X patterns. *I used a gold metallic top coat (over chocolate brown and a tan base) and it looks amazing!!!! It's just a hint of metallic, it's not bold or cheesy looking. I found that sponging on the metallic gave it a better appearance than painting it on. *This product is easy to use just time consuming because of the wait time. In the end it will be worth it!!!!!! I want to thank all the folks who posted to this forum. I learned a lot by reading your postings before I started my project. Bellagio Faux is very easy to apply and its result was satisfying. I would like to offer a couple of tips from my own experience. 1. If you are doing this project with more than one person, have only one person to apply the glaze because each individual creates different motion patterns. This will help to keep a uniformity look. 2. Don’t wait too long before using the trowel to press down the semi dried glaze. If it is too dry, it will leave a rough surface with clusters of white particles. However, it is easy to correct if that happens to you. Just sand the small area and reapply the glaze. 3. I used one gallon of base paint but only less than a half gallon of Bellagio Faux glaze. I guess I can say the ratio of base:glaze is about 2:1.
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